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Germany and Great Power Competition

Join us for a discussion about Germany's geopolitical role and its relations with China and Russia

Date & Time

Wednesday
Sep. 8, 2021
10:00am聽鈥撀11:00am ET

Overview

After sixteen years of Angela Merkel鈥檚 leadership, the next chancellor of Germany will have to define Germany鈥檚 relationships with the Great Powers. Nord Stream 2 and the conclusion of the EU-China Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI) have put pressure on U.S.-German ties, even as聽the Biden administration seeks to form a more united front against China and Russia. Some Germans fear being caught up in Great Power competition; others argue that the next German government should adopt聽a more principled stance toward Russian and Chinese violations of basic聽international norms.

Join us for a transatlantic discussion of how Germans are debating their聽future Great Power relationships just weeks before the聽German federal elections.

Key Quotes

Angela Stent

鈥淚 would argue that it's the return of great power competition, and I do want to say a word about this now is unwelcome for Germany and I鈥檒l be interested to hear what other people do about this, I mean obviously during the Cold War the two German States were on either side, opposite sides, of the bipolar great power competition 鈥 [then they] slowly reconciled to it so a united Germany welcomed the end of great power competition or what appeared to be that in the 1990s.鈥澛

鈥淟et me just say a few words about the German elections and the different parties. Obviously, you have two pro-Russian parties in Germany, the AFD and Die Linke. They want much better relations with Russia. Die Linke wants to leave NATO if possible and they of course oppose sanctions. The CDU, the SPD, the FDP I would say all subscribe to data once was the bit to what was once the bitterly contested U.S. politique and all more or less subscribe to what Merkel鈥檚 policy has been, this mixture of dialogue, economic relations and then pushback on some issues.鈥

鈥淲e know that the Russians are actively interfering in the election campaign in Germany, both in some of the information that麓s come out about particularly about Annalena Baerbock, her ties to George Soros, other things about her, but also very actively now with all the anti-vaccine false information that鈥檚 out there鈥 aiding and abetting benefiting from the polarization that exists in these societies.鈥澛

Stefan Meister

鈥淕ermany is losing also its role as a bridge to Russia, I would even argue Russian leadership wants to weaken the EU and transatlantic relations and it means first of all to weaken Germany, but Germany is not seen from Moscow anymore as a bridge into the EU or as a lawyer of Russia鈥檚 interest but it is seen as a problem, as a country you have to weaken.鈥澛

鈥淚 expect a weaker chancellor, in any way as Merkel, it was also with regard to Russia, with a limited knowledge on the region鈥 we will have a society leader and government who is an environment of a society who has no interest to be more tough on Russia and has rather an interest to be more cooperative with Russia鈥澛

鈥淚 also wanted to say some words about Russia and climate change because this is now the main narrative in Germany. We can work on climate change, green energy, sustainable development with Russia, but if you see who is the strongest lobby in Russia on this issue it is the oil and gas industry. So they have the strongest lobby and they have no interest in fundamental changes, even if the melting of the ice in Siberia is going on and they have fires all the summer there.鈥

Janka Oertel聽

鈥淸About its relationship with China] The new consensus that is slowly emerging among the German parties is that what we are facing is actually competition and cooperation against the backdrop of systemic rivalry ... this is something that is going to shape the policies in the post-Merkel era very much. This is not something that just the greens, just the FDP, just the Christian Democrats or just the social democrats say but this is pretty much a slowly emerging consensus with different consequences.鈥澛

鈥淲hat other Europeans are expecting from Germany is also a clearer positioning on the controversial issues when it comes to China and a clearer positioning in general when it comes to kind of how do we relate to authoritarian systems.鈥澛

鈥淐hina has self-declared decarbonization goals, it is heavily investing in green technologies, it is moving simultaneously on two tracks, it is heavily investing in coal to finance and to reinvigorate its economy after the COVID shock but simultaneously it is also investing in greening its economy and its seeking economic benefit that any first-mover advantage here will have and is seeking to position China as an integral part of the global green supply chain, so we will face China as a competitor, as a rival, and in some areas as a corporation partner on the climate dimension.鈥澛

Daniel S. Hamilton

鈥淕ermany is headed to general elections in just a few weeks and there is great discussion about how the next government鈥檚 foreign policy will look.鈥澛

鈥淲e are accustomed to having a discussion about Germany and Russia. That's a longstanding relationship obviously very close in some ways but fraught with complications and it鈥檚 become a particular issue in U.S.-German relations particularly because of the nord stream debate is still a hot issue in Washington.鈥澛

鈥淢y impression is, Germany never votes for change on election day. Change comes later, and in some other ways when Germany society a new consensus emerges. It seems to me that at the moment, despite the complexions different colored coalitions we are thinking about, its still on balance a large vote for continuity and basic approaches, but we shall see.鈥

Speakers

Angela Stent

Angela Stent

Professor Emerita of Government; Senior Advisor, Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies, Georgetown University
Profile Stefan Meister

Stefan Meister

Head of Program, International Order and Democracy, DGAP
Janka Oertel

Janka Oertel

Director, Asia programme, European Council on Foreign Relations

Hosted By

Global Europe Program

The Global Europe Program is focused on Europe鈥檚 capabilities, and how it engages on critical global issues.聽 We investigate European approaches to critical global issues. We examine Europe鈥檚 relations with Russia and Eurasia, China and the Indo-Pacific, the Middle East and Africa. Our initiatives include 鈥淯kraine in Europe鈥 鈥 an examination of what it will take to make Ukraine鈥檚 European future a reality.聽 But we also examine the role of NATO, the European Union and the OSCE, Europe鈥檚 energy security, transatlantic trade disputes, and challenges to democracy. The Global Europe Program鈥檚 staff, scholars-in-residence, and Global Fellows participate in seminars, policy study groups, and international conferences to provide analytical recommendations to policy makers and the media.  Read more

Kissinger Institute on China and the United States

The Kissinger Institute works to ensure that China policy serves American long-term interests and is founded in understanding of historical and cultural factors in bilateral relations and in accurate assessment of the aspirations of China鈥檚 government and people.  Read more

Kennan Institute

The Kennan Institute is the premier US center for advanced research on Eurasia and the oldest and largest regional program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. The Kennan Institute is committed to improving American understanding of Russia, Ukraine, Central Asia, the South Caucasus, and the surrounding region though research and exchange.  Read more

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